HWinfo je na HP zariadeniach coraz "hlupejsie"

[Snake]

Martin ahoj,

v uplynulych mesiacoch jak sa nabieha s Intelom na novy reference code tak na HP zariadeniach (a pravdepodobne aj dalsich) zacala miznut teplota PCH (asi to presunuli inam), co by az tak nehnevalo, avsak posledne HWinfo uz zabuda zobrazovat aj teplotu NVMe diskov od Samsungu (PM981/981a), HWinfo v senzoroch uz zobrazuje iba teplotu controlleru, teplota flash pamate uplne zmizla (pricom je hlasena priamo v smarte odkial to berie napriklad AIDA64).

Druha vec, 100% softwaru (ak neratame fabricke), pouziva na vypocet battery healthu u HP zariadeni zly class na tahanie udajov o baterii:

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> gwmi win32_battery


__GENUS                     : 2
__CLASS                     : Win32_Battery
__SUPERCLASS                : CIM_Battery
__DYNASTY                   : CIM_ManagedSystemElement
__RELPATH                   : Win32_Battery.DeviceID="00797 2019/05/04Hewlett-PackardPrimary"
__PROPERTY_COUNT            : 33
__DERIVATION                : {CIM_Battery, CIM_LogicalDevice, CIM_LogicalElement, CIM_ManagedSystemElement}
__SERVER                    : ZBOOK
__NAMESPACE                 : root\cimv2
__PATH                      : \\ZBOOK\root\cimv2:Win32_Battery.DeviceID="00797 2019/05/04Hewlett-PackardPrimary"
Availability                : 2
BatteryRechargeTime         :
BatteryStatus               : 2
Caption                     : Internal Battery
Chemistry                   : 2
ConfigManagerErrorCode      :
ConfigManagerUserConfig     :
CreationClassName           : Win32_Battery
Description                 : Internal Battery
DesignCapacity              :
DesignVoltage               : 16303
DeviceID                    : 00797 2019/05/04Hewlett-PackardPrimary
ErrorCleared                :
ErrorDescription            :
EstimatedChargeRemaining    : 77
EstimatedRunTime            : 71582788
ExpectedBatteryLife         :
ExpectedLife                :
FullChargeCapacity          :
InstallDate                 :
LastErrorCode               :
MaxRechargeTime             :
Name                        : Primary
PNPDeviceID                 :
PowerManagementCapabilities : {1}
PowerManagementSupported    : False
SmartBatteryVersion         :
Status                      : OK
StatusInfo                  :
SystemCreationClassName     : Win32_ComputerSystem
SystemName                  : ZBOOK
TimeOnBattery               :
TimeToFullCharge            :
PSComputerName              : ZBOOK

Win32_Battery sa povacsinou pouziva ako legacy ci pre UPSky, na tahanie info o baterkach by sa malo pouzivat Win32_PortableBattery.

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> gwmi win32_portablebattery


__GENUS                     : 2
__CLASS                     : Win32_PortableBattery
__SUPERCLASS                : CIM_Battery
__DYNASTY                   : CIM_ManagedSystemElement
__RELPATH                   : Win32_PortableBattery.DeviceID="Portable Battery 0"
__PROPERTY_COUNT            : 36
__DERIVATION                : {CIM_Battery, CIM_LogicalDevice, CIM_LogicalElement, CIM_ManagedSystemElement}
__SERVER                    : ZBOOK
__NAMESPACE                 : root\cimv2
__PATH                      : \\ZBOOK\root\cimv2:Win32_PortableBattery.DeviceID="Portable Battery 0"
Availability                :
BatteryStatus               :
CapacityMultiplier          : 10
Caption                     : Portable Battery
Chemistry                   : 2
ConfigManagerErrorCode      :
ConfigManagerUserConfig     :
CreationClassName           : Win32_PortableBattery
Description                 : Portable Battery
DesignCapacity              : 89990
DesignVoltage               : 15400
DeviceID                    : Portable Battery 0
ErrorCleared                :
ErrorDescription            :
EstimatedChargeRemaining    :
EstimatedRunTime            :
ExpectedLife                :
FullChargeCapacity          :
InstallDate                 :
LastErrorCode               :
Location                    : Primary
ManufactureDate             :
Manufacturer                : 333-1C-2C-A
MaxBatteryError             : 0
MaxRechargeTime             :
Name                        : VX04090XL
PNPDeviceID                 :
PowerManagementCapabilities :
PowerManagementSupported    :
SmartBatteryVersion         : 1.1
Status                      :
StatusInfo                  :
SystemCreationClassName     : Win32_ComputerSystem
SystemName                  : ZBOOK
TimeOnBattery               :
TimeToFullCharge            :
PSComputerName              : ZBOOK

Specificky by som rad poukazal na hodnotu DesignCapacity a Design Voltage, ktora systemu hlasi aka je dizajnovana kapacita, vsetky tooly na nete si to beru neviem odkial ale ma to za nasledok to, ze Designed Voltage a Full Charge Capacity je u HP XL bateriek (tie s trojrocnou zarukou) rovnake, cim vzdy ukazuje 0% Wear Level.

Ak treba dake dodatocne info k obom veciam rad poskytnem, tieto hodnoty vzdy zmizli po update firmwaru ked sa menil Intel Reference Code, baterky zasa nema nikto dobre (tu je myslim priestor na zlepsenie), korektne to vytahuje iba HP Battery Check, ziadny iny tool.

Taktiez HWinfo ukazuje fany ako 964rpm ked uz realne stoja (zistene fyzickou kontrolou a aj porovnanim s HP Performance Advisor).

Dakujem za tool a dufam ze sa s tym niekam pohneme

 

[Martin]

This forum is spoken in English, so I'll respond as such that 'everyone' can understand.

1. Lost PCH temperature. This seems to be a new firmware feature, but I'm not sure yet why the PCH suddenly refuses to provide thermal data and whether this is some intentional blocking by the BIOS. Would you be able to provide a DBG file before (PCH temperature available) and after firmware update (PCH temperature n/a) ?

2. The 2nd NVMe drive temperature is not available in the main window, but it should be displayed in the sensors window. Please let me know if you don't see it there.

3. HWiNFO doesn't use WMI to retrieve battery information, but it does directly query the battery driver. This interface seems to provide only the generic battery object and not the second one.
Let me check if I can determine how to access the 2nd battery information...

 

[Snake]

Alright sorry.

1. I am unable to downgrade EC firmware past the point where PCH temp was shown (firmware lockout)
2. The second NVMe temp is not visible in the sensors window, it is displayed in AIDA64 in the SMART section, so the drive provides the data, HWinfo just stopped displaying it (for unknown reason).
3. Thank you, with XL batteries, some Dell laptops this interface does what you see in the picture.

 

[Martin]

1. I thought you had some machine left that wasn't upgraded yet If TXT or Secure Boot is enabled on that system, can you try to disable it?
2. I can see HWiNFO is reading this value too. Is is perhaps hidden? Please try to reset preferences in HWiNFO to check if that might come back.
3. Unfortunately no luck yet, I wasn't able to determine how to read the other set via battery drivers.